. >> newt gingrich showed up in the campaign in 2010. why was he there? >> well, that's about presidential politics. and as you know, iowa is first in the nation with our caucuses. so people who have an interest in running for president, they're there to stir up the social conservatives. they're looking for support and votes in future elections. and i think that's why we had santorum and jindal in iowa. they're looking at presidential politics four years from now. >> joy, you are a republican. the republican state party in iowa has endorsed getting rid of these judges and justice wiggins. has that ever happened before? has a state executive committee, the state party in iowa ever said, "we should do this"? >> no. and i was appalled and saddened when i read that statement from the chair of our party, actually voting, asking republicans to vote against wiggins. i thought that was most inappropriate. and i know there are lots of republicans that would not agree with that at all. former governor ray, former lieutenant governor art neu, and a number of republi